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Dialogues - Conversations With My Higher Self
The Creation of Consciousness? Or, The Ultimate Answer
Session 26
OK, now for some biggies. Who or what created consciousness?
And what is that greater something?
Now THIS is the ultimate question from the focused human viewpoint!
We see things a little differently. There does not have to be a
start point or a creation point. Imagine something that always was,
and always will be. You have heard the circle analogy before, no
start or end point, or the mobius strip, anything which curves back
into itself is immortal! That is the self-reflexive nature of consciousness
itself.
Yes we have heard that before, but it’s impossible to
have something which always WAS, even if you can design something
like a torus6 which can reflect back in on itself forever.
Just as the energy within the torus reflects back in on itself,
so too can thought reflect back in on itself and create that which
it is reflecting back in upon, namely, itself.
Huh? That makes no sense — just gobbledygook.
Think about what we have said! That which creates itself, IS itself!
Hmm… I guess I just don’t get it. It must be one
of those profound pieces of bullcrap that is above my level of awareness.
Well, we are trying to explain something which has never been created,
to those who believe there MUST be a start point to something. And
that is true, there must be a start point to something. Consciousness
is not a thing. A thing is that which is created from consciousness
–– a result of thought.
Consciousness is that–which–creates–itself.
Yes, but you said that consciousness creates thought and can
perceive thought, so it must, fundamentally, be compatible with
energy and have mass. Energy must be created because something can’t
come from nothing. Even a photon that supposedly has no mass must
have been created! So who or what created the energy that reflects–back–in–on–
itself and forms consciousness?
Our answer is that which creates itself creates the energy which
reflects back in on itself to continually create itself again and
again. This is the seed – tree – fruit analogy, the
fruit contains the seed, which then starts the cycle all over again.
You have said that a massless creative potential is somehow responsible
for the creation of consciousness ––but what is the
difference in saying that consciousness is that–which–creates–
itself? Your virtual creative potential is just the awareness–of–
itself, or consciousness, which is itself… there is no start
point!
Ask yourself, where did your virtual potential come from? You say,
it did not come from anything because it IS nothing ––
it doesn’t exist but is the creator of all things. That is
no different from what we say –– we are just using different
words. The only important thing is that there is no starting point
–– there is just continuing. In a linear perception
of time this makes no sense, because in human form you can see the
body born, grow, and die, so you conceive that there must be a start
(and end) point. But there IS no start point, do you get a little
bit of what we are saying?
There IS no start point –– that is just how it must
be said.
A conscious aware being has always been conscious, by definition.
It can never ‘remember’ a ‘time’ when it
was not conscious. By definition, consciousness is forever, with
no start or end point. The idea of start and end is a wonderful
thing, truly it is. It is one of the concepts that enabled an eternal
consciousness to dream up a physical existence in the first place
–– in order to experience what it would be like to have
a ‘begin’ point and an ‘end’ point!
Yes, but when you are building something you have to start somewhere!
Yes, that is true — when you build someTHING you have to start
somewhere. A THING must always have a start point ––
a car starts out as minerals in the ground, an apple starts out
growing as a bud from an apple tree, etc.
But consciousness has always been and always will be ––
because it is self aware, and something which is self–aware
cannot conceive of a ‘time’ when it was NOT.
OK, I get a little bit of what you are saying — but just
because consciousness can’t conceive of when it was not doesn’t
mean that something greater than itself could have created it. What
about the apple tree? You say it is conscious, but there was no
apple tree there at one time! Something else had to come along and
plant the seed so that it could then become conscious. So consciousness
MUST have a start point!
Yes, but we ask, who planted the seed? It was a conscious being!
So consciousness existed before the apple tree became conscious.
Yes that is what I am saying! A greater consciousness planted
the seed so that the lower consciousness could experience.
Well, you need to look a little deeper. You are assuming again that
that there is one consciousness of the apple tree, and another consciousness
separate or higher than it, which planted the seed and created the
consciousness of the apple tree.
We tell you IT IS ALL THE SAME CONSCIOUSNESS.
The consciousness of the tree is the consciousness of the human
who planted the seed –– it is all the same thing, just
focused differently.
OK, then if universal consciousness created this universe, then
there must be other universal consciousness just like it, creating
other universes, and so what appears to be universal consciousness
is really just an extension of an even larger consciousness, which
then is part of a larger consciousness, etc. Where is all this going?
You have gotten yourself into quite a conundrum! From our vantage
point we do not perceive any beginnings or endings of our awareness.
We have always been and always will be, that is something so integral
to us that it is never even an issue. You see, we are so busy having
fun, endless, always different and exciting fun, that it just does
not seem to us to be ‘real’ in any sense.
To sum up, from our vantage point: awareness, consciousness, always
was and always will be. That’s just how it is perceived, known
on all ‘levels,’ as some humans would say, to any conscious
being.
So I am never going to get an answer to the question of who
or what created consciousness.
You can’t get an answer because there is no answer, IF you
are looking for an answer which requires there to be a higher power
that creates consciousness, do you see? There is really only one
answer, and that is consciousness itself!
This is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question!
Consciousness is the alpha, the omega, the beginning, the ending,
the creator of all things, the experiencer of all things. An answer
means ‘here is the response that tells you how it will be
forever and ever.’ We have responded with an answer that tells
you that consciousness is always aware of itself and there never
was/is/will be a ‘time’ when it is not aware of itself.
So this should satisfy you!
This is the answer of all answers, because it is the answer that
explains all things forever and ever, and yet which is continually
creating new questions and answers, new things to experience; it
is all questions and all answers rolled up into a self–reflexive
ball. THE answer is, ‘that which asks the question is the
answer.’ And it is also the question. And it is any question
and any answer from ‘now’ until the ‘end of time,’
but there is no time, so the person who asked the question is the
answer, and the person who answered the question is the answer....
do you get a little bit of what we are saying? You/we are the questions
that you/we are asking, and you/we are the answers, and everything
we create and experience is as well.
This may sound confusing, but we are trying our best to express
in words something which IS itself, the answer to every possible
question that could be asked by itself.... you see, the whole thing
is always circular, always never–ending and never–beginning,
always itself the answer to any question which could be asked...
(by whom? itself, of course!).
Whew! OK, my brain is spinning and my mind is out of control.
We’ll stop now. Thanks!
Postscript
As I look over this, it does make some sense. I understand now
that the very nature of consciousness (or awareness) itself, is
without beginning or end. And therefore that it is itself, in its
own consideration and awareness,
inherently and quintessentially a creator of itself and so can have
no considered beginning or ending, else it would not be what it
is! Like the worm ouroborous, that which swallows it’s own
tail.
Ah, you understand. Yes, that is a good way to express it. Awareness
essentially must be awareness of itself, because that which is aware,
is aware, and so therefore aware of itself, and therefore aware
of itself..... continuously.... there is no ‘begin’
or ‘end’ to this process, otherwise there would be an
awareness of NOT being, which is impossible, since awareness itself
means awareness of itself. There can be no NOT awareness, for one
must be aware in order to consider the idea of NOT awareness!
Awareness automatically means that that which is being aware, is
aware, and so therefore aware of itself. That is the best we can
do in language to describe it.
This is the definition of immortality, of eternal–ness.
And so one can see that by being aware, one is always aware, one
has always been aware, and one must always be aware.
These definitions and explanations must be circular and reflexive,
for that is the nature of awareness. And that is the answer to all
philosophical debate, but this will never be understood by those
who are not conscious of themselves as who–they–are.
To understand this is to know it, to feel it –– it cannot
be understood solely by the application of logic. To logic, this
discussion is irrelevant, a tautology –– something that
defines itself or proves itself by invoking itself, redundant ––
yet, for those who understand, this is the only way it can be expressed,
and the expression of it in this way is understood by those who
truly understand who they really are!
And that is why, my friend, it is useless to debate with those who
do not understand this, for debate invokes logic and there is no
logic to these circular and self–reflexive definitions.
You see, logic looks to ‘prove’ someTHING as true ––
and therefore must look outside of self for proof. All true proof
is the knowledge of self. That is the powerful understanding you
are beginning to reach.
OK, I have beat this subject to death and the readers are probably
marveling at my stupidity.
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